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Re: [sc-users] Future of the lists



I think we all pretty much agree with this.

Make it so!

Sam

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 11:11 AM, clicksonnil@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much for keeping the list going for so long, Scott. 
> 
> I am happy to fit in with whatever the communications preference is.
> 
> Cheers
> Nick
> 
>> On 9 Jun 2021, at 09:40, i@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, PA!
>> 
>>> On 9 Jun 2021, at 09:30, tremblap@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>> 
>>> I support you wholeheartedly, and thanks for the 203940239840234 times you helped one of us, or more importantly, all of us as a community
>>> p
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Jun 2021, at 09:18, i@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I said I would let others discuss before expressing my view. There hasn’t been a massive response, and I’d say no clear consensus. So, here’s my 2 cents:
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly, the dev list: As I said, I don’t think it serves much purpose any more, or at least not a unique one, so I think we should wind it up and convert the archive to static pages.
>>>> 
>>>> The user list is more complicated. In general I’ve been happy to keep it going as long as there was demand, but the technical/GDPR issues do make me wonder if this is a good time to just wrap it up and encourage people to move to the forum, which has grown a lot as the list has gotten a little quieter.
>>>> 
>>>> On a personal level, maintaining and moderating the lists is a not insignificant amount of work, and I don’t have as much time for that as I used to. It’s also not always a pleasant job, and while that’s perhaps not surprising given the nature of online communications, I sometimes wonder if I want to keep putting energy into that, especially in those occasional moments when it’s bad enough to impact my own wellbeing.
>>>> 
>>>> So on balance and with some sadness, I personally think the best thing is to wind the lists up and encourage people to move to the forum. There has been some discussion about possibly hosting the forum here at the university, which would be a nice bit of continuity, and maybe help with stability as it’s currently privately funded. We’ll see what happens with that.
>>>> 
>>>> I do feel a sense of responsibility to this community and the list members, so we can hold off on making a final determination for a day or two so people can respond, but that’s my feeling.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19 May 2021, at 17:09, i@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m afraid we need to have a discussion about the future of the mailing lists. There are a number of issues, but the most immediate is that the list archiving software is basically not up to modern standards and is no longer maintained. It will need to be decommissioned, and is unlikely to be immediately replaced as there’s low usage for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a broader question about the list software itself. That is likely to be replaced, and the replacement would offer an archiving facility, though there is no clear timescale, and at the moment it’s not a high priority.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The existing archive can be easily converted to a static one, which should be able to provide a better search facility than currently (e.g. Google), so that should not be lost in any case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I think the options are as follows:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Move the lists to another host. JISCmail may be a possibility.
>>>>> 2. Continue the lists and accept a gap in the archive, and hope that the new hosting solution here will come sooner rather than later.
>>>>> 3. Wind up the lists after a quarter of a century, move all discussion to other fora (e.g. scsynth.org), and finalise the archive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have my own views on this, partly for personal reasons, but I would like to hear from others before I say anything. I know people have strong feelings about lists vs. web fora, etc., and any choice will definitely have plusses and minuses. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whatever happens, it’s been something of an honour looking after sc-users and sc-dev for the last 13 years since we migrated them in 2008. I’ve been really proud and happy that Birmingham has been able to support so much amazing activity, and such a great community!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me know what you think,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott - list admin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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