On Mar 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, jostM wrote:
You don't have to be a virtuoso violinist to compose well for the violin. You do have to be a very good SC programmer to compose well with sc. that's my point. When you compose for a traditional instrument, the performer does the implementation. Learning SC-programming has nothing to do with music per se at first. you could make phone number databases with it if you wanted.
But that wasn't my point. My point was that to be a virtuoso violinist, it takes years of practice and challenge. I think it is the same for being a virtuoso composer, or a virtuoso user of SuperCollider.
Yes - and that is why I think about composing (and using any compositional tool or environment, whether computer or not) takes years of work. We expect all musicians at a conservatory to take years of harmony (and this really doesn't lead to composition yet!) and even more years of study to really become a composer. I don't see SC (and what it takes to learn it) as being any different from that process.I'm not making an _essential_ distinction between the two but rather one of degree. And it is the _degree_ of effort and the learning curve thatcounts, when you lose your musical idea amidst the programming technicalities as an sc novice or even intermediate programmer.
Josh
jost Josh Parmenter wrote:On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:23 AM, jostM wrote:Until you are really good as SC, it can be hard not to have implementation complexities distract from your musical ideas.But this is the case with everything in music. Until you are really goon on violin, piano, dictation, composing, etc. etc. Having to get really good at something isn't bad. And all of this involves implementation complexities! Josh ****************************************** /* Joshua D. Parmenter http://www.realizedsound.net/josh/ “Every composer – at all times and in all cases – gives his own interpretation of how modern society is structured: whether actively or passively, consciously or unconsciously, he makes choices in this regard. He may be conservative or he may subject himself to continual renewal; or he may strive for a revolutionary, historical or social palingenesis." - Luigi Nono */ _______________________________________________ sc-users mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.beast.bham.ac.uk/research/sc_mailing_lists.shtml archive: https://listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/ search: https://listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/_______________________________________________ sc-users mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.beast.bham.ac.uk/research/sc_mailing_lists.shtml archive: https://listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-users/ search: https://listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-users/search/
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