> thanks rohan, and sorry for taking so long, this is finally committed. excellent, thanks kindly for looking into that, it reminds me that a TIRand initializer one-liner didn't get through, perhaps you could push that one as well? (tirand_ctor sets up trand_next) http://www.create.ucsb.edu/pipermail/sc-dev/2006-October/011095.html kind regards, rohan